Valuation: The alleged discounting

The recent downturn from the high in October has led to a great deal of chatter about the markets being cheap. That the recent turmoil has presented us with wonderful buying opportunities based on valuation. Readers here know that I disagree, and vehemently. Which doesn’t mean there isn’t money to be made as speculators. Certainly that is possible.

On the investment merits however, stocks in general are at extreme levels only exceeded significantly by the recent tech bubble. Only by comparison to the elevated levels of the last 15 years can the S&P 500 be considered even reasonable, much less inexpensive. Unlike 2000 when many asset classes were reasonable, and only cap weighted indexes and a few components were expensive, almost all asset classes are overvalued. In many ways, from a valuation standpoint, this is a far more tenuous situation than 2000 when you could easily select assets that had not taken part in the bubble. Now there are few places to hide.

So no, the market hasn’t “discounted” a recession. Even the idea that the U.S. economy is in recession is contentious. The S&P 500 is off only about 10% from its record highs, recession concerns and a weakening of profit margins are not reflected in market prices. At best, they are discounting a slowdown based on the assumption that recent earnings growth and profit margins can be extrapolated longer term once we get past it.

John Hussman put it well (my emphasis)

Similarly, in stocks, analyst estimates reflect a quick return to record profit margins about 50% above their historical norms. If those assumptions disappoint and it becomes clear that profit margins will not be forever sustained at record highs, it doesn’t only imply near-term earnings disappointments – it implies that the whole stream of future earnings impounded into stock prices is wrong.

Since I believe this has been a long term issue, how bad has the valuation penalty been so far? Since April of 1998 the return of the S&P 500 has been below that of Treasury bills. That is almost 10 years! Since 2000 the S&P 500 has trailed inflation. In fact, the S&P500 has trailed treasury bills since Nov. of 2005 as well.

Is the market significantly cheaper than in 1998? No. Should we expect better going forward? No. The likely path is we will get similar or worse returns in an interesting way.

So, who will make money with real returns that an investor might consider satisfactory? The lucky, savvy speculators, the hedgers (I put my money on L/S guys in the vein of Julian Robertson) tactical asset allocators who hedge and protect capital (using some of the above) etc. Indexers, closet indexers and other low tracking error portfolios will disappoint.

Vitaliy Katsenelson, author of Active Value Investing: Making Money in Range-Bound Markets (Wiley Finance)points out some of the reason’s markets aren’t as cheap as they seem (and even then we are talking about p/e ratios well above “average.”)

Unfortunately, the cheapness argument falls on its face once we realize that pretax profit margins are hovering at an all-time high of 11.9%, almost 40% above their average of 8.5% since 1980. Once profit margins revert to their historical mean, the “E” in the P/E equation will decline. If the market made no price change in response, its P/E would rise from 17 to 23.8 times trailing earnings.

Maybe profit margins will stay high?

Profit margins revert to the mean not because they pay tribute to mean-reversion gods, but because the free market works. As the economy expands, companies start earning above-average profits. The competition reacts to fat margins like bees sensing sugar water. They want some, too, so they fly in and start cutting into these above-average margins. This always has happened in the past, and it will happen again and again in the future.

Let us see a chart, we all love charts:

Vitaliy on profit margins

Vitaliy deals with the most common reason’s people believe “it will be different this time.” So read the whole thing.

Let us move on to the misuse of forward operating earnings. Comparing the historical PE ratio to forward earnings estimates fails the smell test in a number of ways. The proper comparison would be to historical forward PE’s, not trailing PE’s. On that basis we end up with a lot lower forward PE to call “average.” Throw in the elevated profit margins and we get some really scary numbers for the market to get to “average.” John Hussman:

Now, to the issue of P/E ratios based on forward operating earnings. As noted above, it’s clear that forward operating earnings are generally much higher than the record level for trailing net earnings to-date, and of course, record earnings are always equal to or higher than raw trailing earnings.

Investors are used to the idea that “normal” P/E ratios are typically in the range of 14 to 16. But as Cliff Asness of AQR has repeatedly stressed, those norms are based on raw trailing earnings. If you calculate P/E ratios based on earnings figures that are higher, you clearly obtain lower P/E ratios.

As it happens, the long-term historical norm for the P/E ratio based on forward operating earnings would be about 12.

Of course, that means we get a chart:

Forward PE ratios

Look closely. Exactly when has the market been more expensive on the basis of forward earnings? The mid 60’s, which led to one of the worst periods for stock returns in market history. 1987 which corrected in a day and of course the entire late 90’s to now. All periods of severe under performance.

Uh, John gives us a caveat:

Of course, that average of 12 includes the heights of the late 1990’s bubble. The historical average was just 10.6 prior to that point.

I am inclined myself to throw out the late 1990’s (we do all agree now that the valuations of that period were insane, whatever we said at the time, right? So should insanity be used to justify anything?) Your mileage may vary. Back to those profit margins (my emphasis)

It gets worse. Currently, profit margins are at the highest level in history, which further reduces the P/E multiple we observe. If investors wish to use that observed P/E ratio as their standard of value without normalizing for profit margins, they should be aware that they are implicitly assuming that profit margins will remain at current levels indefinitely.

Okay, another chart:

The following chart presents the ratio of forward operating earnings to S&P 500 revenues (net profit margins are even more volatile).

Chart: Historical Profit Margins (Forward Operating Earnings / Revenues)

Historical Profit Margins -Forward Earnings Revenues

You’ll notice that prior to 1995, there were only a few instances when operating profit margins exceeded 8%. At those points, prior to the late-1990’s bubble, the forward operating P/E for the S&P 500 averaged just 8. That’s not a typo.

No, I am not predicting an 8 PE down the road. I am saying that in any historical sense the markets are not, and have not, been cheap. That is why returns have been low, below that of treasury bills for a very long time, and likely to be so over any reasonably long term interval going forward.

Go ahead and read John demolish the “Fed Model” of valuing the stock market while you are at it. In fact, Go ahead and read this from John on that very subject as well.

For further thoughts, check out Barry Ritholtz’s similar demolition. He gives us another chart on the ridiculousness of forward operating earnings from the Wall Street journal:

Earnings Rebound

Look at that. How do we get from 3% and 4% for the first two quarters (which I find unlikely in and of themselves, but maybe) to 16% for the year? From Barry (my emphasis)

Analysts are unflaggingly inaccurate at turning points. Example: Q3 S&P500 earnings consensus were +8% — S&P500 earnings came in at -8%. Q4 has been similarly lowered, undercutting the earlier forecasts of undervaluation.

Now let’s look at 2008. S&P 500 forward earnings over the next 4 quarters are as follows: Q1 = 3%; Q2 = 4%; Q3 = 20%; Q4 = 50%, according to UBS.

Earnings explosions like the ones above generally only occur after earnings collapses. Earnings grow reliably at about a peak of 6% over the long term, and the average is lower. In fact, the average is only around 1% over inflation depending on your point of measuring (it looks a bit higher now, it was a good bit lower at the trough of the last earnings collapse.)

Since clients may read this I want to reiterate that seeing the challenges ahead are exactly what this site, and our investment policy, is all about. The reason we have done so well, especially over the last year, is that we have expected and accounted for these, and other, factors we have been covering. The danger is for those investors, or their advisors, who haven’t faced up to the implications of high valuations.

We’ll deal with the Fed Model in more depth here at Risk and Return in the near future. John and Barry hit some of the highlights, but there are fundamental issues which I think deserve more exploration.

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